MH17: Witnesses

Basic Dimension

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http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/overview-of-eyewitness-who-saw-a-missile-flying-at-july-17/


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Basic Dimension // June 27, 2016 at 6:30 pm //

Wind Tunnel Man

IMO most important is not a witness of the crash but the coordinates of the alleged missile.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-airliner-idUSKBN0M81XF20150312

[Her daughter Anastasia Kovalenko, 14, said she saw a rocket flying over the village, and then a plane in the distance blowing up. Olga Krasilnikova, 30, also said she saw a rocket, some time between 4 and 5 p.m. “I saw it was flying, flew right over me. From that side,” she said, pointing to the outskirts of the village. “I saw smoke in the sky, then I heard an explosion and I saw a huge blue (cloud of) smoke.”]

With testimonies we distinguish observations from interpretations, since interpretations caused by common sense reasoning of witnesses who are building a scenario can be confounded.

Anastasia Kovalenko, 14, and Olga Krasilnikova, 30, saw a projectile flying right over the village of Chervonyi Zhovten (Red October):

http://tinyurl.com/zfqnucn

These are observations and not interpretations. If they were not lying we might have the trajectory from Red October to the FDR-point = 322 degrees. But even if they were honest the chosen methodology is wrong because of interviewer bias. Now the judge will wipe this ‘evidence’ away.

Also interviewers are important. They must not reward and reinforce witnesses in an unconscious way. Also, now it is much too late, since they interviewed after inhabitants could have made a common sense reconstruction:

[Villagers in eastern Ukraine told Reuters earlier this year [2015] they saw a missile flying directly overhead just before flight MH17 was shot out of the sky, PROVIDING THE MOST DETAILED ACCOUNTS to date that suggest the rocket was launched from territory held by pro-Russian rebels.]

Also Reuters is questionable and might be not transparent:

[To help to clarify the situation Russia Today has asked Reuters and the reporter to provide the raw footage of the interview [with Pytor Fedotov], which Reuters has so far not done.]

This all means we know nothing until excellent psychologists question the witnesses still with a sophisticated test for sheer facts and definitely show no interest in their interpretations. So, I am afraid we know nothing for sure.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-airliner-idUSKBN0M81XF20150312

World News | Thu Mar 12, 2015 | 11:34am EDT

Villagers in eastern Ukraine have told Reuters they saw a missile flying directly overhead just before a Malaysian airliner was shot out of the sky on July 17 last year, providing the most detailed accounts to date that suggest it was fired from territory held by pro-Russian rebels.The accounts from four villagers of Chervonyi Zhovten, which was then, and is now, controlled by the rebels, are significant because they indicate the rocket was in the early stages of its flight path.
That would mean it must have been launched from rebel ground nearby, challenging the suggestion of Moscow and the separatists that the plane was brought down by the Ukrainian military. At the time, the nearest Ukrainian-held area was about 6 km (3.7 miles) away.

Until now, videos, photographs and accounts from residents have pointed to a BUK battery being delivered to the rebel-held town of Snizhne, 7 km north of Chervonyi Zhovten, on July 17, and then driven away from the area some time later. Its precise location at the time the plane was shot down has never been confirmed.

Now one of the villagers has told Reuters that a missile battery was positioned in a field near Chervonyi Zhovten on the day the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, crashed to earth. A former rebel fighter corroborated this.


[At the end of the article, the author quotes “a former rebel”, Igor, who “told Reuters that a BUK battery was in Chervonyi Zhovten on July 17… Igor said the battery’s mission was to discourage Ukrainian Su-25 ground attack jets from attacking separatist targets in the area. A BUK missile had been launched against the Ukrainian jets half an hour before the Malaysia Airlines Boeing came down, forcing the Ukrainian pilots to pull out”. This story may explain why the separatists believed they had shot down a SU jet (see the post on their arrival to the crash site).]In the scenario I describe, Ukr Buk launched the missile soon after the launch of the Rus Buk missile, targeting the first passenger plane in the sky. Thus, both sides have what to hide. In the case of Russia, it is not necessary that it supplied Buk – we remember that American and European intelligence did not see the transfer of Buks across the border. But Russia might have sent a crew to handle Buk captured from the Ukrainian base and might have provided TAR support across the border.]
 

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 abcd // September 25, 2016 at 12:58 am // Reply

Just for brevity, let’s name them Rus Buk and Ukr Buk. While Rus Buk was stationed near Pervomaisk or Chervonyi Zhovten, Ukr Buk was stationed further south, somewhere near Saurovka, a small village near Saur-Mogila. Several witnesses mention Saurovka or Saur-Mogila as the perceived location from where the missile was launched. (For instance, see quotes of two witnesses in the post “Two new Buk sightings and a new account of the missile trail”). 

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